Ed Kalegi CAN-DO’s Founder, Amy Povah on Ed Kalegi’s America Weekend - On June 22, 2016, Ed Kalegi and Christina Stoffo interviewed CAN-DO President and Founder Amy Povah about her work with the CAN-DO Foundation; the clemency project and our marijuana laws. Click the links below to listen or download the interview.   Right-click Here to Download the Podcast The interview aired…
The HIll_thumg PM CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah in The Hill Pushing CJ Reform - CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah is taking on Senator Tom Cotton because he’s holding up a bipartisan bill for criminal justice reform entitled The Sentencing Reform and Corrections Act of 2015.  Senator Cotton is from Amy’s home state of Arkansas but it was her home town of Charleston, Arkansas that created…
CAN-DO in Truthout: The Need for Compassionate Release - Victoria Law has written yet another compelling piece on the many negative aspects of mass incarceration.  Aging, Sick and Incarcerated: The Need for Compassionate Release   The CAN-DO Foundation provided Truthout with a few cases of women who are seeking a compassionate release, knowing the odds are greatly stacked against…
Amy Povah Op Ed in Fusion Urging President to Pardon More Women by Amy Povah - When Amy Ralston Povah was escorted across the compound at FCI Dublin, after President Clinton granted her clemency, she told the women she would never forget them. Fifteen years later, Amy is still fighting to garner attention for the women who have been locked up for decades and need relief.…
peoplecover_205x273 Clemency Recipients Angie Jenkins, Ramona Brant and Amy Povah in People Magazine - Angie Jenkins, Ramona Brant and Amy Povah are featured in People’s Online Magazine as the REAL WOMEN of Orange is the New Black. Netflix is releasing the new season of Orange is the New Black and People Magazine provides a glimpse into the “real lives” of the characters on OITNB,…
CAN-DO Guardian Angel Project Join the CAN-DO Guardian Angel Program - Amy Povah of the CAN-DO Foundation and Jason Hernandez of Crack Open the Door, have teamed up with additional clemency recipients, such as Ramona Brant, Shauna Barry Scott, Angie Jenkins and more to assist clemency applicants seeking mercy through clemency by launching the Guardian Angel program.  In essence, clemency recipients…
Malik King Headshot Malik King – CAN-DO Prisoner Outreach Coordinator Meets Clemency Recipients - Prison Outreach Coordinator Malik King met with clemency recipient Efram Douglas on June 22nd and provided the following detailed summery of their encounter. Efrem Rahoman Douglas – Knoxville, TN Offense: Possession with intent to distribute 50 grams or more of cocaine base; Eastern District of Tennessee Sentence: 300 months’ imprisonment;…
Amy Povah CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah in New York Times - January 26, 2015 Amy Povah, founder of CAN-DO; P.S. Ruckman, a pardon expert and member of the CAN-DO Advisory Board and Sam Morison, former Pardon Staff Attorney for 13 years contributed to this NYTs debate. Using Mark Wahlberg’s request for a pardon as a magnet to focus on the pardon…
Screen Shot 2016-06-14 at 4.50.34 PM Celebs and Clemency Recipients Speak on Capitol Hill, including CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah - The Leadership Conference, ACLU and #CUT50 partnered for a spectacular day on Capitol Hill, March 31st, to lobby for The Fair Sentencing and Corrections Act of 2015.  Listen to speeches by celebs and a panel discussion moderated by Van Jones asking clemency recipients why this legislation must be passed.  CAN-DO…
Screen Shot 2016-06-14 at 4.47.38 PM Clemency Recipients go to the White House, including CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah - On March 30, and 31st, CAN-DO President and Founder Amy Povah spent two days at the White House attending events focused on Women and the Criminal Justice System and Life After Clemency.  But that’s not all. Nkechi Taifa, a senior policy analyst for civil and criminal justice reform at the Open Society…
Trevis Love Clemency Recipient Trevis Love Credits CAN-DO! - According to clemency recipient Trevis Love, “Amy and you [Malik King] sent a very important email out back in early April that really motivated me and got a new fire lit in me and lots of the guys here at Manchester Camp ….. the email was titled ” tips to…
CAN-DO Influenced Three Articles on Conspiracy Laws: Reason, Huffpost and The Kind - Three informative articles were published this week that focused on conspiracy laws which has been part of the CAN-DO mission statement.  All three articles went live over the course of seven days, as follows: FIRST ARTICLE in Reason: by Lauren Krisai |Apr. 29, 2016 10:20 am How Conspiracy Laws Let…
Screen Shot 2016-06-14 at 4.44.21 PM Senator Elizabeth Warren speaks about the Fair Sentencing Act of 2015 - CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah goes to Capitol Hill  On April 28th, Amy Povah of CAN-DO joined ranks with members of other organizations, including The Leadership Conference, ACLU and #cut50; an initiative of Van Jones’ Dream Corps.  Together they walked the halls of Capitol Hill and stumbled upon Senator Elizabeth Warren of…
Amy Povah in Reason Magazine on Drug Conspiracy Cases - Amy Povah started CAN-DO to not only promote and spotlight people seeking clemency, she included her desire to educate the public about the conspiracy law in the CAN-DO mission statement.  It hasn’t been easy because reporters typically have never heard about it and/or don’t understand it enough to want to…
change CAN-DO Foundation has a Movement Page on Change.org!!! - The CAN-DO Foundation and Change.org have organized a massive clemency “movement” page, where many of our clemency applicants have an active petition on Change.org/clemency.  This has been an invaluable tool for anyone seeking support for a pending clemency petition. I want to thank everyone who has already participated by signing…
CAN-DO Foundation in Waging Nonviolence.org 10/12/2015 - Comprehensive article by Victoria Law in WagingNonviolence.org about Amendment 782. Oct. 12, 2015 On October 6, the Justice Department announced that nearly 6,000 people in federal prisons will be going home early. The move, U.S. officials told the Washington Post, is an effort to both reduce overcrowding and to provide…
Watch the CAN-DO video of clemency recipients and applicants - CAN-DO was tasked with the almost impossible job of creating a film for the events surrounding the White House Briefing on Life After Clemency.  CAN-DO and Harm Reduction Productions teamed up with Earthstream Media to produce a video of that would put a face on the invisible lives of prisoners…
Michael Yandal thanks Pres. Obama for granting his clemency on 3/30/16 - Email from Michael Yandal thanking God and President Obama, in that order.  First of all, I just want to give all the glory to God. I know it was him, speaking through my mother, who has constantly kept me motivated throughout this entire ordeal. Everytime she asked me “have you…
images Bill Maher Wants More Pardons – Thanks to CAN-DO - On January 20, 2015, CAN-DO sent a package to Bill Maher begging him to address the lack of Presidential clemencies for drug offenders, especially people serving time for pot on his show. This was the second time CAN-DO founder Amy Ralston Povah asked Maher to address the power of presidential…
Miquelle West CAN-DO worked with BBC on article about Family Members of Clemency Applicants - CAN-DO Founder, Amy Povah and Jessica Lussenhop have been working together for over a year after Jessica called and asked Amy if she would put her in touch with some prisoners who were seeking clemency.  Jessica wanted to communicate with several over the course of many months to determine what…
SIX CAN-DO MEMBERS RECEIVED CLEMENCY on 3/30/2016 - While Amy Povah was at the White House for a convening on Women in Prison, and while several clemency recipients that Amy served time with, such as Kemba Smith, Serena Nunn, and Angie Jenkins were meeting with President Obama, it was announced that 61 prisoners received clemency.  Out of those,…
Screen Shot 2016-05-15 at 5.16.34 PM Dwayne (Duane) Walker – Life Without Parole – RECEIVED CLEMENCY 3/30/16 - CAN-DO MEMBER DUANE TWANE WALKER received clemency!!!! Name: Dwayne Twane Walker #06431-084 DOB: April, 4 1973 Age: 42 Children: 1-boy and 1-Girl Charge: One Count of Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine Base / 21U.S.C. 841(b) (1) (A) and U.S.C. 851(a) Sentence: Life Without Parole Release Date: None – Deceased Served: 19 years…
MEET THE CAN-DO ADVISORY BOARD - CAN-DO has teamed up with some of the leading pardon experts and activists in the nation, including Sam Morison, P.S. Ruckman and Eric Sterling, just to name a few. Sam Morison provides invaluable insight and expertise with regard to the entire pardon process, having worked at the Office of the Pardon…
Angela LaPlatney – 20 years – Received clemency!!! - CAN-DO Member Angela LaPlatney received clemency on 3/30/2016. Name: Angela La Platney #08713-091 DOB: 3/3/73 Age: 43 Children: 2 boys Bradley,21 & Tyler,20 Charge: Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute methamphetamine Sentence: 240 months 3/3/22 GCT or 9/24/24 Max Started Sentence: 9/29/04 Served: 11 years 6 months Priors: State…
Welcome to CAN-DO: Justice Through Clemency - Welcome to the CAN-DO Foundation justice through clemency CAN-DO is a 501(c) 3 nonprofit foundation that advocates Clemency for All Nonviolent Drug Offenders. CAN-DO has access to numerous cases, many of which are presented on this website. We focus primarily on women because the CAN-DO Founder, Amy Povah, vowed to…
alice_marie_johnson_sm Alice Marie Johnson and CAN-DO in Vocativ - Alice Marie Johnson is #1 on the Top 25 Women Who Deserve Clemency so when Sarah Kaufman of Vocativ contacted me and asked to speak to a family member of someone waiting in the pipeline for clemency, we put her in touch with Tretessa Johnson, Alice’s daughter. CAN-DO Founder Amy…
White House Vigil for Clemency Applicants - On November 19, 2015, the CAN-DO Foundation performed it’s second annual White House Vigil for the many prisoners profiled on our website.  The Associated Press interviewed Jason Hernandez, the first Latino to receive clemency from President Obama and the video was posted on the USA Today website. Unfortunately, when AP…
billy_dekle Billy Dekle – Serving Life for Pot Is Now Free – Clemency - Former Marine, Billy Dekle was serving Life for Pot Billy Dekle has called several times since his release, the last time was on February 29th to talk about his half-way house woes.  We sure wish people receiving clemency could go straight home to their family members.     Billy Dekle…
Sharanda Jones, Ramona Brant, Angie Jenkins, Billy Dekle, Charles Cundiff CAN-DO Members Receive Clemency from Pres. Obama -         Five CAN-DO members on our website and three members not on the site received clemency on 12/18/2015.  We are elated for them and their families who can now start the healing process to overcome the suffering that has claimed too many lives and impacted too many…
ramona_brant_sm CAN-DO’s #3 on Top 25, Ramona Brant in Fusion - Ramona Brant is the centerpiece of an excellent article in Fusion.  She embodies how brutal our current criminal justice system exploits women who are already victims of domestic abuse by tossing them into a conspiracy indictment that will hold a spouse responsible for everything their abuser has done – and…
angie_jenkins_sm Angie Jenkins – Serving 30 Years Received Clemency - I am now at the Satellite Camp Prison in Dublin, just arrived Aug 15, 2014. I am currently volunteering to paint for a Halloween event that the staff is holding for their children here. I am painting props and backdrops for photos we will be taking of the children for this event.
Charles Fred Cundiff is serving Life for Pot Charles “Fred” Cundiff – Received Clemency – Now Free - We are happy to announce that Charles Cundiff serving life for pot won the clemency lottery.  On Jan. 12th, he arrived at a half-way house and could use financial assistance and clothes to start a new life.   Thank you Pres. Obama!!! Beth Curtis of Life for Pot visited Fred…
Amy Povah CAN-DO in Buzzfeed News - CAN-DO President Amy Povah was interviewed by Buzz Feed and is quoted in the following article, as are two members of the CAN-DO Advisory Board, Dennis Cauchon, founder of  The Clemency Report and Beth Curtis, founder of Life For Pot: Obama’s Potential Clemency Push Can’t Come Soon Enough, Campaigners Say…
josephine_ledezma_cd_lg Sign Our Petition Urging President Obama to Free the Top 25 - The Top 25 Women Deserving Presidential Clemency is a list of extraordinarily worthy women whose time in federal prison should end. These women are serving multi-decade and life without parole sentences for non-violent drug offenses. (video & petition link included)
Jason Hernandez Josephine Ledezma and Rita Becerra featured in Fusion Op Ed by Jason Hernandez - Jason Hernandez wrote an Op Ed that was published in Fusion on 1/15/2016 entitled Why hasn’t President Obama granted clemency to a single Latina inmate? about the lack of any Latinas receiving clemency from President Obama.  Indeed, to date, there has not been a single Latina to receive mercy of the…
Theresa_Crepeau_sm Therese Crepeau IS FREE Thanks to the 2 Point Reduction! - CAN-DO NEWS – 2 Point Reduction Really Helps Some Inmates! Congratulations to Therese Crepeau, who walked out of prison today after serving 21 years on a 26 year sentence thanks to the  new 2 Point Reduction program..  We can’t wait to hear all about her freedom day and reunion with her…
irma2 Irma Alred – serving 30 years for pot IS NOW FREE – DRUGS MINUS TWO - MORE GOOD NEWS!!! Irma Alred is NOW FREE – and called Amy Povah to say hello while she drives with her sister from Tallahassee to Corpus Christi, Texas to be with the rest of her family – the first person she called was her mother!  Then her sisters – talked…
Headshot George Martorano – After 35 Years – IS NOW FREE - On October 5, 2015 George Martorano was released from prison after serving 32 long years in federal prison!” CAN-DO’s Amy Povah talked to George on 10/7 and heard all about his first meal of every Italian dish he ever loved, prepared by loving nieces, sisters and family members.   “I…
Screen Shot 2016-02-24 at 12.01.57 AM CAN-DO Founder, Amy Povah’s radio interview archives, plus 2 part radio interview with Kerry Reynolds for KMUD - Kerry Reynolds hosts a weekly show about Cannabis News and requested an interview with CAN-DO Founder Amy Povah for what she hopes will become an ongoing series about people serving 10 – Life for drug non-violent drug cases. Following headlines, this episode is devoted to an interview with the President…
beth_cronan_sm Elizabeth “Beth” Cronan is NOW FREE – Drugs Minus Two! - It’s a great day because so many people are being released from the half-way house and/or BOP due to the 2 pt reduction that Beth and others who were on the Top 25 Women who Deserve Clemency, such as Therese Crepeau and Irma Alred. Beth Cronan walked out of prison…
unnamed-3 Michelle West in Humans of New York and TruthOut.org - Michelle West was featured in Humans of New York and is currently on the HONY homepage for Brandon’s “Inmate Stories” series. Michelle is in a photo with her brother, instead of the original post because a prison guard (in the background) complained and asked that Brandon take down Michelle’s photo,…
deniese_watts_sm Deniese Watts – #18 on Top 25 is NOW FREE!!! - Deniese Watts walked out of the BOP July 29th due to a motion filed that made her eligible for Drugs Minus Two. Deniese was #18 on the Top 25 Women Who Deserve Clemency and very deserving – congratulations to Deniese and all her family and friends – job well done!…
Michael Pelletier_headshot Michael Pelletier – Serving Life for Pot - Michael Pelletier At the CAN-DO Foundation, we like to help the public get to know the prisoners we advocate for on a personal level, so this month we’d like to introduce you to a remarkable man, Michael Pelletier.  A wheelchair bound paraplegic since the age of 11, Michael sits in federal…
Beth Curtis's brother John Knock serving LIFE FOR POT CAN-DO in Mother Jones featuring John Knock and Antonio Bascaro: Serving Life for Pot - Obama Just Granted Clemency to a Pot Lifer. But Dozens More Remain Behind Bars. “We have many senior citizens who have already served decades for marijuana-only crimes that are being ignored.” By Bryan Schatz | Wed Jul. 15, 2015 4:40 PM EDT  Go to Mother Jones or read here: Social Title: Obama…
2015 CAN-DO Awards for Extraordinary Advocacy Focused On Ending the Drug War/Mass Incarceration - CONGRATULATIONS ARE IN ORDER TO THE FOLLOWING CAN-DO AWARD RECIPIENTS Lifetime Achievement Award goes to Nora Callahan Founder of November Coalition for her selfless devotion to POWs throughout the 90s to present day.  Nora was motivated to start a prison advocacy group after her brother, Gary Callahan was sentenced to 27…
images-1 Obama Visits El Reno Federal Prison – Watch His Speech! -  Watch President Obama’s speech at El Reno Federal Prison and other related videos on Al Jezeera President Obama is the first sitting president to visit a federal prison – historic moments that he will be remembered most fondly for.  Future generations will research and learn the truth about how this…
images-1 President Obama Commutes the Sentences of 46 Prisoners. - While we are happy for everyone who received a commutation, we look forward to many more deserving applicants who are waiting in the pipeline, many of whom spotlighted on the CAN-DO website.  Listen to President Obama’s comments on CNN News  WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, President Barack Obama granted commutations of…
Amy Povah, Founder of the CAN-DO Foundation, Justice Through Clemency Clemency and Pardon FAQ - As someone who has actually been through the process of receiving executive clemency (I served 9 years of a 24 year sentence before being granted clemency by President Bill Clinton),  I thought I would share some important factual information that may help you understand the Pardon Process. Q and A about…
Amy holding a photo of Mary Ritcherson at the White House - 2014 How to Enhance Your Chances for Clemency - Tips Prisoners Can Use to Enhance Chances at Executive Clemency These are historic times. For the first time in over 25 years, there is bi-partisan support for meaningful criminal justice reform. For the first time the Supreme Court is ruling on laws that will reduce sentences without “non-retroactivity” conditions that…
beth_cronan_sm Elizabeth “Beth” Cronan – 28 Years – Receives 2 Point Reduction! - Congratulations to Beth Cronan #14 on the Top 25.  Beth’s mother, Jeanne, wrote to CAN-DO’s Amy Povah, to say she is beside herself with joy.  Her dream to hold Beth in her arms again will finally come true. The 2 point reduction (Drugs Minus Two) reduced  Beth’s outdate from 12/31/2022…
dr_marion_fry_sm CAN-DO News – Dr. Marion “Mollie” Fry is now Free! - All advances in society and science require sacrifices. The medicinal value of marijuana is becoming acknowledged because of the conflict between the will of the citizens and the federal government. The truth and the will of the people will triumph over political posturing. I plan to emerge from prison to resume a productive life in spite of my losses.
craig_cesal_sm 07. Clemency for Craig Cesal – Serving Life for Pot - My offense conduct is limited to the repair of trucks damaged when marijuana had been smuggled within the structure of the truck, I never bought, sold, used, aided and abetted, nor participated in any marijuana activity; I only provided repair support for truck drivers who did so.
Russell Simmons Miquelle West Introduces Amy to Russell Simmons - Meet My New BFF  by Amy Ralston Povah On April 26th, Miquelle West, fashion stylist extraordinaire for Sean Combs company, Revolt TV and daughter of drug war lifer, Michelle West, came to Malibu so we could finally meet in person.  This woman is so amazing, so talented, so wise beyond…
Beth Curtis of “Life For Pot” in IB Times - Beth Curtis shines a spotlight on: These Men Are Serving Life Sentences In Prison For Selling Pot Fifteen years ago, Beth Curtis’ brother, John, was sentenced to die in prison. His crime? Selling weed. In 1994, John Knock was indicted by the Northern District of Florida. Prosecutors alleged that Knock,…
Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Silk Road Founder Gets Life Without Parole But These Lifers Did Far Less! - Social media erupted in shock and outrage when federal Judge Katherine Forrest sentenced Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht to Life Without Parole for founding and operating Silk Road’s bitcoin funded drug market. The bulk of the comments about the verdict ran along the lines of “How can a nonviolent computer…
crystal_munoz_thumb Crystal Munoz Serving Over 19 years in Ladybud Magazine - Crystal Munoz is #11 on the CAN-DO Top 25 List of Women Who Deserve Clemency. Cheri Sicard (VP of CAN-DO) wrote an article about Cyrstal Munoz, serving over 19 years on a marijuana conspiracy case that was recently published for the second time in Ladybud Magazine.  The article exposes a…
Larry Duke - FREE AT LAST! Larry Duke is Free After Serving 26 Years on a Life Sentence for Pot! - We just got word via email from life for pot prisoner Larry Duke that he has gotten an immediate released. he received a compassionate release.  He served 26 years on a Life Sentence for Pot! Many people have been asking exactly what Larry filed to get his Sentence Reduction.  Below…
Congressman Lieu with wife, Betty and Tim Robbins CAN-DO Attends Congressman Ted Lieu’s Swearing in Ceremony - CAN-DO Founder Amy Ralston Povah and V.P. Cheri Sicard  attended (D-CA) Congressman Ted Lieu’s Swearing in Ceremony on Sunday, March 1 at UCLA’s prestigious Royce Hall. Directly after “God Bless America,” and before Lieu took the stage, the fire alarm went off and to everyone’s dismay, attendees were told it was…
gore_vidal_amy Amy in Action – CAN-DO Founder Amy Ralston Povah - Amy Ralston Povah Goes to DC – 2014   Amy Meets Gore Vidal Amy spoke to the iconic Gore Vidal about her CAN-DO Foundation. Vidal was outspoken about ending the drug war and congratulated Amy on her efforts to raise awareness to the horrible plight of mass incarceration. Rosary ceremony…
photo by Gage Skidmore Political Children Arrested for Drugs Who Got Special Treatment - Everyone who has (or had) a child in prison for drugs should be outraged by the double standard that applies in this country when the very politicians who voted for harsh sentencing laws use their clout to secure a special deal for their own children when they get caught with…
San Francisco Chronicle Op Ed by Amy Ralston Povah CAN-DO Op Ed in San Francisco Chronicle – Thanksgiving pardons - Instead of sleepwalking through the obligatory turkey “pardon” on the White House Lawn this year, I wish President Obama would grant some real pardons — to humans. There is no better gift than hearing that your loved one has been freed from an unjust sentence. I should know.
karan_daniel_sm Karan Denise Daniel is NOW FREE thanks to 2 point reduction. - I draw my inspiration from God and my Mother. My mother is very sick from Lupus and has been horribly sick for many years. She had pushed herself all these years to keep going so she could raise my daughter. My daughter was 7 years old when I came to prison she is now a beautiful 20 year old woman in college.
images VICTORY for Medical Marijuana!!! -   Congress voted to reauthorize the 2015 Medical Marijuana Amendment, (also known as Rohrabacher-Farr amendment) by a vote of 242 to 186.       Medical cannabis patients scored another big victory today when Congress voted in favor of preventing the Department of Justice from spending any money to interfere in…
DEA AGENT SPEAKS OUT: Told Not to Enforce Drug Laws In Rich Communities - Drug Laws Not for the Rich! John Vibes for The Free Thought Project has written an amazing expose on the truth about the War on Drugs, per DEA agent Matthew Fogg who is now speaking out about details that CAN-DO has been saying for years about drug laws and their…
Do’s and Don’ts When Writing to the Pardon Attorney or President - Amy Ralston Povah (formerly Pofahl) launched a letter writing campaign from her cell while serving a 24 year sentence for drug conspiracy.  Together with a large network of freedom fighters, she obtained approximately 15 letters from Congress members who supported her clemency.  People from her hometown of Charleston, Arkansas got involved…
100th Anniversary of the First Marijuana Raid - CALIFORNIA NORML and COALITION FOR CANNABIS POLICY REFORM held a press conference on the LA City Hall steps to mark an infamous day in history: September 8, 2014 – The disastrous legacy of the war on marijuana will be addressed at a press conference to mark the 100th anniversary of…
barbara_scrivner_sm Barbara Scrivner Receives Clemency – 12/17/14 - CAN-DO NEWS FLASH BARBARA SCRIVNER RECEIVES CLEMENCY FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA Although it’s LONG OVERDUE – we could not be happier to hear that someone so deserving was finally rewarded with leniency after serving 21 years! Today, the Associated Press reported that: “The White House said the eight new commutations Obama…
mary_ritcherson_sm Mary Ritcherson – After 30 YEARS – FREE AT LAST! - Formerly #11 on CAN-DO’s Top 25 List of Women Who Deserve Clemency  CONGRATULATIONS TO MARY – who walked out of prison on June 23rd after serving all of a very harsh 30-year sentence. Mary was given a bus ticket and arrived in Cedar Rapids, Iowa where she is now staying…
anita_gage_sm Anita Gage Is NOW FREE After 24 Years!!! - Anita Gage walked out of federal prison at Victorville today, Monday, Sept 28th, 2015 after serving over 24 years on a 30 year sentence!  Amy Povah was able to talk to her and said, “Hearing Anita giggle was the best sound ever! She was with family, eating at a restaurant…